>> how much of this do you think has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election, you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or from legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did x so i will do y but in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a momhomosexual. what is that like? he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual. that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he had never met someone who was gay. now even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> you know, based on my experience in the health care case, i'm not going to do a lot of predictions because wrong is wro